Comment on Mind…. What? by Kathryn Culbertson

I’m impressed that Practicing, Experience and Association came out as the BIG ideas. And, it’s not lost on me that Making Mistakes is extremely small, albeit right in the middle of the image.
I would also suggest that an aim of teaching should be to promote deep thinking – and questioning – of the subject matter (in college). It is not so much about providing hard and fast facts to be memorized as how to listen, assimilate the information provided, make connections, hear other’s opinions and perspectives and be able to create a deeper, wider, more informed attitude from the time spent contemplating and learning.

Comment on Defending the old schools by Kathryn Culbertson

Thanks for such a thought-provoking post, Quichao. I first thought I wanted to respond to some particular points you made, but after reading through the comments, I think I have more questions than remarks.

There seems to be a general acceptance that there is competition in every system that humans are engaged in (even in conception), but does there need to be competition in education? Do there need to be ‘winners’ (those that are able to pursue (interest, talent or both) and ‘losers’ (those that fill a job vs. engage in a profession/vocation that they are personally committed to? It a foregone conclusion, in your mind, that some will ‘have’ and some will ‘have not’?

Tangentially, do you (anyone reading this) believe that human capacity to learn is determined at birth (or sometime thereafter) or is virtually limitless (or something in between)?

Do you believe you would be in the same place right now if any external factor in your existence, upbringing or education were different?

I look forward to reading replies.

Comment on Change Over Time or Timeless? by Kathryn Culbertson

Thanks for another thoughtful post, Faith. I feel like I’m becoming a bit of a groupie. I think you hit on something I never really made it around to saying in my post: that improvement of our processes and think is not really a wholesale change, although some sure act as if it is.

I feel like we may actually be *swinging back* toward the type of learning that seemed to occur in the 1930’s and ’40’s (albeit limited to certain people who had access to the appropriate resources) in the trying-failing-re-trying mindset (what is now referred to as a ‘growth mindset’) and in the tinkering/making culture that is reemerging (now that many kids/parents don’t have access to a garage full of tools). I don’t mean going backward, but often I am engaged in conversations with educators who talk about the pendulum on teaching methods/fads/thinking swinging back after a swing forward when a new way/method/fad has faded from view.

I think your students are lucky to have you. It is wonderful to meet a thoughtful, willing Educator who is open to the possibilities that change can bring.

Comment on Had I been a railway minister… by Kathryn Culbertson

Since I cannot tell who you are (by name), I am going to refer to you as Minister herein. First and foremost, thank you for such a profoundly well-written and thoughtful blog post in reflection of your reading of ‘A New Culture of Learning’. I appreciate the angst you express over the “how” of being an effective Educator. It is truly a frustrating endeavor. And these are particularly frustrating times to learn how. I’m trying to keep my comments brief, so I want to focus on two points here:

1. A learning based approach = student centered learning

I addressed this in one of my posts for this week. The shift is a cultural one to make: adults must not only be aware of the difference, but must establish learning environments where student success is the objective. I want to say that it is up to Educators, but I think the philosophical shift must come from a collection of administrators, parents, community leaders, etc.

2. In response to one of your thoughts:
“focusing on classes that inspire students, is dangerously close to classes that entertain students”

I suggest that inspiring students is not the same as entertaining them, but if learning can be entertaining and inspiring, then why not? Of course class objectives should not include entertaining students (humoring them, per se) but what is the downside to finding analogous humor in the learning that is to be had? Why does it need to be dry and serious? Is that the way the best minds in society think? I argue they don’t (Richard Feinman is my favorite scientists with a famous sense of humor). If more inner city kids in the 1950’s, ’60’s, 70’s were ‘inspired’ in their learning would the social structures of inner cities today be as impoverished as they are? If students were excited about their learning opportunities in math and science courses would we have the perplexing problems we do today with not enough students pursuing studies in STEM fields through college?

I’m gonna’ stop there because I feel like I’m getting on a roll.
And, if you’re interested, I’d love to take this up as an in-person conversation at some point.

Comment on Can I Really be Messy? Please, Please? by Kathryn Culbertson

Whoops! Totally neglected to connect my comment(s) to your notion of ‘getting by’. I believe that the sense you get as a teacher (and I know I feel as a student) that students are ‘getting by’ is a combination of not feeling free (safe) to explore the deep learning opportunities that may exist and not having the time/space to do so.
If asked correctly (and I have on an informal basis) most students I have talked to neither know how to create a safe space for learning themselves, nor know how to ask for it from their teachers/professors. They seem reduced to ‘getting by’ – following the rules, adhereing to procedures, finding ways to fit in (complete assignments, pass a test, write a paper) to survive from class to class and to achieve their prize at the end: a degree.
It sounds cynical as I write it, but I actually think there is great opportunity in developing collaborative learning environments that are focused on student success.
Like I said, more later …

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Comment on Can I Really be Messy? Please, Please? by Kathryn Culbertson

I only have a few minutes right now, but I’m going to ponder this for a while and respond more thoroughly. I just commented on Bethany W.’s comment on Zach’s Gould’s post from last week about Networked Learning (Bumper to Bumper Learning) where I pose some of my own existential questions about teaching and learning. So, I get where you’re coming from.
I think that the value of ‘safety’ that one feels in a community of learning cannot be underestimated or left out of the equation of creating open forums and collaborative learning environments. I think also that there is tremendous competitiveness inherent our culture in the US (maybe worldwide), and while we may consider the education world as being free of much, I would argue (later) that the inherent-ness of its general existence makes it virtually impossible to have none in an educational setting unless it is **intentionally** addressed.
Harkening to my experience teaching in elementary school, I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and was introduced to two philosophies (via books) that helped me understand the breadth and depth of the competition children face, and how to set the tone for a safe learning space where exploration, mistakes and collaboration are valued. I was far from perfect at implementing such a philosophy, but the parts I tried and got right were phenomenally successful.
The books are:
Denton, P., & Kriete, R. (2000). The First Six Weeks of School. Strategies for Teachers Series. Northeast Foundation for Children, 71 Montague City Road, Greenfield, MA, 01301. <– there may be a .pdf version available

Wong, H. K., Wong, R. T., & Seroyer, C. (2009). The first days of school: How to be an effective teacher. Mountain View, CA: Harry K. Wong Publications.

** ** = emphasis added.

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